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TVD Finale and Personal Post

Posted on 2013.05.17 at 17:42
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I should probably put these in two separate posts, but I’m not. Below is some (rather self-indulgent) talk on the TVD finale and a personal post. Read one, or both, or neither.

TVD Finale

First some doppelganger blurb.

I had so many Stefan doppelganger AU’s in my head, I can’t believe it actually happened (I even had Stefan being a doppelganger of Silas at one point). And I thought it was all crazy and then it happened. Because the show is crazy.

I’m very annoyed that my meta on this is sitting half finished in my drafts because now no one will believe me. Like I didn’t know it was actually coming but I seriously thought my whole doppelganger AU made sense, and now it’s on the show. I’m simultaneously gleeful and furious (mostly at myself, this is why you shouldn’t leave meta half finished).

Okay, here’s the rough gist, I’ll work on finishing the actual meta later. This is mostly wild speculation here. The entirety of Mystic Falls seems to be intrinsically connected to doppelgangers, the entire story is about doppelgangers and their effect on other beings, and at the very beginning we find this referred to as Stefan’s story. I believe all the founding families knew about doppelgangers, because they are them; they’re the lines. (And John is Kat’s true descendent, not Isobel like Kat wants us to believe). That’s how Elena’s parents knew. The reason that the council is so into taking down vamps is because they’ve been doing it for centuries trying to protect their doppelganger kids. It’s not just the werewolves; but it would make sense for them to ally themselves with wolves.

Stefan’s upbringing was coloured by this; even if he didn’t know, his parents did, possibly his mother died trying to protect him. His father knew he would possibly end up having to lose Stefan and so Stefan became his favourite as he attempted to cherish time with him. By the same virtue, Giuseppe pushed Damon too hard and then grew angry at Damon’s rebellious attitude, frustrated because in his mind Damon would have to protect his brother but was too undisciplined/irresponsible to do so. Possibly Giuseppe even encouraged Stefan’s self sacrificial traits because he recognised that Stefan may have to give his life for the greater good of the town, maybe only praising when Stefan behaved exactly as Giuseppe wanted, because there was no room for manoeuvrability with something as complex as a doppelganger and thus this resulted in Stefan’s fragmented psyche where he moulds to others, emphasising the already present tendency derived partly from being a shadow self.

(And of course the canon bit where they paralleled their bloodlust).

Also the Salvatore’s moved onto land where there was a forest of white oak ash. And I’m not even putting any of this properly how it is in my head, there’s like three years worth of stuff for this in my head. I think I’m about to go insane.

Katherine coincidentally goes to Stefan in 1864, for no apparent reason, the same way she comes in 2009. And then Stefan coincidentally met Klaus.

Okay, I’ll stop whining now.

I’m going to stop lamenting my not getting in before the horse bolted and actually enjoy the fruits of this wonderful (however ridiculous) storyline. I can’t wait.

I actually enjoyed the TVD finale, what can I say, I be liking the crazy. I enjoyed the Damon Elena, I know some people found it problematic but I thought it was very in character for both of them; they are similar in the exact way that was shown, they work because of that blend. I loved the Lexi Stefan stuff. So much of the episode was a beautiful mix of sorrowful and sweet and action.

Okay there was bad stuff as well. There’s the bit where they gut Caroline’s character to make herself all easy-breezy with Klaus. There’s Bonnie dying, I don’t understand how the show even works without Bonnie. Also no final Klefan scene, now I’m not saying we’re entitled to a scene; that’s a ridiculous notion with storytelling, the story is told as it is, but it really does feel like they just started that story and dropped it off at the babysitters and forgot about it. Also I still think Katherine is the worst person who could’ve gotten the cure story-wise; Katherine is too good as a vampire and I don’t think the story would flourish in the way it would with someone else; it won’t be the same watching Katherine struggle to be a human as it would Damon or Rebekah or Stefan or even Klaus. The terribly self-indulgent part of me has to admit I loved the Stefan Silas scene, if only because it allows me to grin maniacally and scream: I AM A PROPHET, whilst internally laughing at how embarrassing I am. 


So I got a letter from the organisation with the counsellors. It included a little tick box survey, so I can self-diagnose anxiety or depression with a few easy ticks. This is my unimpressed face. Okay, I know I’m being a bit unfair, it’s probably just to give them an idea, or a start point. But I’m just very cynical about these little boxes; maybe I’m being pretentious but I don’t feel like I fit into these boxes. Also it asks me to fill it in considering the last two weeks. Two weeks? Seriously? That’s nothing, why not the past two months, which may be a slightly more realistic representation. I think mainly I would like lines to be able to explain myself instead of just a box to tick, it’s like sometimes I don’t even know what I’m feeling, and also the questions, it’s like, actually no, I haven’t felt those things. But do you know why? Because I felt those things a lot and so actively reconstructed my life so I was pretty much avoiding living so that I don’t feel those things. So yeah, if you ask me how many times I’ve felt that way in the past two weeks, it’s not ‘more than half the days’ and it’s not ‘several’ it’s zero. Does that mean I don’t need help.

Maybe I’m feeling unjustly defensive, but this almost made me feel like I was unfairly seeking help, like I was wasting their time and wouldn’t be deemed worthy of a face to face appointment by this letter. I feel it’s a very unhelpful device especially to people who may already be feeling on edge. I myself am choosing to go ahead with things, but I know people who would back away shyly into a corner. It almost feels like they’re judging. I wonder what they’ll say if I refuse to fill in the survey though. 


Ellen Smithee
ellensmithee at 2013-05-17 21:24 (UTC) (Link)
I had a Stefan the doppelganger rp plot when I first got into the show back in 2010/2011 before they got into what the whole doppelganger/original plot was about, so I was kind of amused that they went in that direction. This isn't the first time one of my off-the-wall rp plots has turned into canon in one of my fandoms, though.

I actually love this new twist with Silas and Stefan, and I'm being tempted to keep watching after all. *sigh* I'm never going to escape. I also don't really mind Katherine turning human - there are a lot of opportunities for her ficwise this way. Also, I have a suspicion the writers want a live doppelganger around to make Klaus's werewolf kid into a hybrid eventually. Oh, well, we'll see. ;-)

Edited at 2013-05-17 09:49 pm (UTC)
swirlsofblue at 2013-05-18 10:39 (UTC) (Link)
It does seem that a lot of people who were going to stop are going to watch season 5 because of the Silas Stefan storyline, the writers know how to hook people back in :). I can't wait to see how the new twist plays out it has so much potential for Stefan's character. What would the kid even be as it is though, is he fully werewolf, in which case does he only include the genetic make up from Klaus's dad's side not mum's? It's an interesting idea, maybe they will turn him :).
Ellen Smithee
ellensmithee at 2013-05-18 10:50 (UTC) (Link)
I was assuming that any kids that Klaus or Tyler would have would be hybrids because of something Elijah said in S2 to the effect that the danger of Klaus turning into a hybrid would be that he could reproduce, and then after that JP was talking about eventually having Caroline and Tyler have children "due to the hybrid magic." So I thought the two of them being able to have hybrid children was always on the table. But when they seemed to forget that, I thought maybe I'd misinterpreted it and they meant he'd be able to MAKE hybrids (who were hardly a danger because they were weaker than vampires and easy to kill, so idek). But now a lot of people seem to be assuming that he'll only be a werewolf. If that's the case, then they might want the option for him or her to change into a hybrid eventually.

They've never explained, but I always assumed the werewolf stuff trumped the witch stuff?. They've also never said if any of them other than Rebekah was also a witch (though my head canon for Elijah says he was).

Edited at 2013-05-18 10:53 am (UTC)
swirlsofblue at 2013-05-18 10:59 (UTC) (Link)
Caroline and Tyler did have werepuppies in the books, maybe they were thinking of going down that road and decided to save it for the spin off instead. I don't know whether the hybrids were that weak; they were brand new and seemed to be able to fend off 150 year old vamps to a fair degree even if they got killed at the end of it.

I've always found the whole witch history with the Originals fascinating, because it really seems like they should've been witches but it doesn't seem like they were. Ooh, that's an interesting idea, I could definitely picture Elijah being a witch especially with the deference he treats them with.
Ellen Smithee
ellensmithee at 2013-05-18 11:14 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, only Rebekah has out and out said that she'd been a witch. I think Elijah having been one too makes a lot of sense, though, especially since he seems to have a lot of knowledge about it.
bleodswean at 2013-05-17 21:32 (UTC) (Link)
*more hugs* Hang in there hon regarding the form - I get it. I do, and I agree....maybe not filling it out but filling out comments would be good for you? I'm sure it is a way to quickly triage...Still keeping my fingers crossed that you get an ace counsellor.

Hey - I believe you for what it's worth! Totally! You've been working with the doppelganger theory for a long time. It is frustrating when a meta or hunch plays out and you didn't mention it to anyone else in the fandom. This used to happen to me in the SPN fandom cuz I lived and breathed the boys for several years. I'm still not getting the idea though...and not sure it's going to hold water. I am growing tired of the crazy roller coaster ride of it. A good finale, imnho, should leave fans extrapolating and crafting meta and writing fic and this one has left my dry, well, except for the rewrite I want to do on that small Caroline/Klaus scene...

Finish the old meta and augment with the new!
swirlsofblue at 2013-05-18 10:47 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I think I'll put some comments down and see.

I'm slowly moving into excited for how much I can now canonically include in meta/fic etc. So many ideas to work with, and I'm really looking forward to season 5. So I guess it was a good finale in those terms for me :). I look forward to your rewrite of the Klaus/Caroline scene :).

Still want to help me soundboard/beta my multi-chapter fic even though it will probably now have more focus on doppelganger Stefan? There'll still be a lot of Katherine and Elena of course.
bleodswean at 2013-05-18 23:51 (UTC) (Link)
Absolutely! I'm looking very forward to it! You planning on starting in June?
swirlsofblue at 2013-05-20 06:38 (UTC) (Link)
yeah, I'm planning on starting in June, but I might do a little prequel/prologue piece just to get the plot bunnies off my back and give me an idea of where I'm going with it when I plan the structure.

Shall I PM you, or d'you want to talk via email?
bleodswean at 2013-05-20 14:02 (UTC) (Link)
Email is my preferred format! vegvary at att dot net
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